A GoT Thought

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 05/14/2019 at 16:00 • Filed to: None

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In the very first episode, Ned Stark executes a Night’s Watchman for desertion. He tells Bran “the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword.”

Jon carries through in Seasons 5 & 6 for insubordination and treason.

Has Daenerys ever killed anyone herself, other than snuffing out Drogo?

MonkeePuzzle > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:04

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wat kind of cars would dragons drive?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2019 at 16:04

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Spitfires

MonkeePuzzle > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 05/14/2019 at 16:07

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you a smart thinker

Arrivederci > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:08

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If you consider Drogon her sword, then yes.  If not, then no.

Arrivederci > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2019 at 16:09

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Firebird

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:10

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The Dragon is equivalent to a sword. That's Targaryen style.

PartyPooper2012 > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2019 at 16:11

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Lada....different cars

InFierority Complex > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:11

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She sets that building on fire with all the Khals in S6 which might count although I don’t think she’s stuck a knife in anyone anything like that.

Co me to think of it she also lights the funeral pyre for Drogo which also burns that midwife alive.

Monkey B > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:12

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bunch of people in the Dosh Khaleen without the dragon, and a shit ton of people on the dragon. Dragon is a weapon as is a sword. Locked that idiot “ richest man in Qarth” in his safe to die with the girl that betrayed her.

Denarys is a killer, a stone cold crazy Targaryen. I think she might take the dragon to W interfell and dust them off too. Remember, she aims to break the wheel...because the minute the white walkers are gone the whole mess starts over and she saw it. I don’t think she’ll win in the end, but I think she takes more out before she does...or Arya finds her first...or Jon puts Longclaw though her neck.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Arrivederci 05/14/2019 at 16:16

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I, too, make my kids carry out all my executions. 

The Ghost of Oppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:16

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No, Dany has never killed anyone directly with her own hands, but she did push over those fire pits that burned down the tent in Season 6

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Monkey B 05/14/2019 at 16:20

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Yeah, dragon as her sword holds up, I guess. I was thinking of it as letting another do it for her.

Think Varys’ little bird managed to poison her? 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > InFierority Complex 05/14/2019 at 16:21

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Forgot about the fire, but I was thinking more in her capacity as queen.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 05/14/2019 at 16:22

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Yeah, pretty much. The b etter to strike fear in everyone around you.

Discerning > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2019 at 16:24

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VW Golf

MonkeePuzzle > Discerning 05/14/2019 at 16:26

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lol, when I saw the notification I knew what gif this would be!

InFierority Complex > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:27

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As in an execution specifically? I don’t think so. An argument could be made for the Khals, maybe?

Randyl  and Dickon Tarly, maybe? Again that’s more Drogon than her, thoug h.

Discerning > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2019 at 16:27

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I posted the somewhat SFW still image instead of the gif. Just in case

facw > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2019 at 16:29

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Maybe an Alfa?

(even though most people call that a serpent or snake instead of a dragon)

Or a Celica?

(even though that’s clearly a ship with a dragon prow, rather than a dragon)

Monkey B > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:30

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didn’t they show Varys’ little bird dead? I’d like to see Arya get at her...but who knows at this point.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Monkey B 05/14/2019 at 16:31

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So, she does give a command - “ Dracarys” - when she executes Varys, so this kind of goes to the point that she’s having another do her dirty work (not that she has any problem with it). Cersei also had others to do this. 

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:31

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Drogon is her sword... so yes

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 05/14/2019 at 16:31

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So, she does give a command - “Dracarys” - when she executes Varys, so this kind of goes to the point that she’s having another do her dirty work (not that she has any problem with it). Cersei also had others to do this.

facw > The Ghost of Oppo 05/14/2019 at 16:32

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And lit the pyre which burned the priestess/witch. She also did stab some undead, though that probably doesn’t count for the purposes of this discussion.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 05/14/2019 at 16:34

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I get that mentality, but she does give a command - “Dracarys” - when she executes Varys, so this kind of goes to the point that she’s having another do her dirty work (not that she has any problem with it). Cersei also had others to do this...

InFierority Complex > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2019 at 16:35

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Celica? That’s supposed to be a Viking longship I think?

Alfa? More a Serpent than a traditional dragon.

Definitely this thing.

Monkey B > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:38

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Alexa, what’s today’s weather? See, I checked the weather. If Alexa could kill people, I’d be a murderer if I commanded her to kill. The dragon, while living, is akin to having a machine/weapon/thing...at least in my opinion.

And yeah, Cersei has the Mountain and he’s much the same as the dragon...even more so after being zombified. BTW, fitting how Kyburn met his demise !

MonkeePuzzle > InFierority Complex 05/14/2019 at 16:41

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you and FACW had similar thoughts

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/1834761510

MonkeePuzzle > facw 05/14/2019 at 16:41

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weirdo skinny snake dragons

Future next gen S2000 owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 16:48

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No. Next question. She isn’t of the same birth line as the Stark. Same rules don’t apply. Plenty of other rich/power ful people have other conduct their sentencing and killing for them.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Monkey B 05/14/2019 at 16:55

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Drogon now loyal and well-trained, but it’s n ot that simple:

During her journey to Meereen, Daenerys’s dragons have grown larger than they were before, feasting on a dead sheep. While scuffling over the carcass, Daenerys attempted to calm Drogon down, but the black dragon snapped at his mother due to his state in a feeding frenzy. Jorah then reminded Daenerys that dragons can never be tamed , not even by their own mother.

After Daenerys claimed Meereen as its queen, Drogon continues to hunt for their food independently, burning and killing livestock of farmers that live around the Meereenese region. Seeing that her children have grown wild and reckless , Daenerys decided to lock two of her three dragons, Viserion and Rhaegal, within the Great Pyramid, while the third and largest one, Drogon, was nowhere to be found.

Daenerys visits Rhaegal and Viserion after not seeing them for weeks. She soon sees they have grown larger and more aggressive than they were before. Realizing that her own children have turned against her, Daenerys has no choice but to keep her distance from them.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/14/2019 at 16:58

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Right, and I wonder if this was the writer & director’s way of showing us all along that she was really more like Cersei than a truly noble leader.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Monkey B 05/14/2019 at 17:02

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I didn’t catch they they showed her dead, if they did, but I also didn’t get the poisoning angle when I first watched it. 

WRXforScience > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 17:22

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It’s just a voice activated attack, she’s responsible for the act.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience 05/14/2019 at 17:33

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Yeah, for sure, just like Cersei using The Mountain, but the fact that Episode 1 has this scene with Ned Stark seems like some kind of message. It’s much easier to kill when you’re not the one doing it.

WRXforScience > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 18:40

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I put it more along the lines of Ramsay using his hounds than Cersei and the Mountain. The Mountain has agency and can decide to disobey an order, whereas the animals don’t seem to have a choice in the matter. Dany is killing the men as much as if she pulled the lever on a guillotine, the trap door of a hanging platform, or the switch of an electric chair. She also doesn’t look away or distance herself from the act. Drogon is an extension of her will and a part of her power as much as the sword was for Ned.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience 05/14/2019 at 18:48

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Yeah, they might be that well-trained by this point, but:

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/1834762316

I agree that the distinction is very slim. Anyway, Jon has shown some remorse even while carrying through death sentences. Dany only shows contempt and rage.

So, your prediction of who’s alive at the end to take the throne ? Daenerys, Jon, or neither?

WRXforScience > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2019 at 19:03

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Good point on the dragons, that really muddies the waters. I’m moved towards your point of view.

I think Jon kills Dany and is killed by Drogon who claims the Red Keep for his roost and rules over the ashes of King’s Landing. The Seven Kingdoms splinters and remains fragmented for years to come.

Or, Jon is killed in his attempt to take out Dany and Arya kills her (maybe later after a time skip).

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience 05/14/2019 at 19:13

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Haha - Drogon on the Iron Throne!

Arya definitely will kill her or (more likely) be killed trying.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dany kills Arya, then Jon kills Dany, then Drogon kills Jon (and takes off?) , and Sansa ends up with the throne (but the fact that she wasn’t in the last episode probably doesn’t support this).

Arrivederci > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/15/2019 at 07:15

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In the books, I’m pretty sure that’s how it has been presented for all Targaryens - they use their dragons.  

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Arrivederci 05/15/2019 at 09:11

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Has there ever been a “good” Targaryen king?

Regardless of tradition, I’m just pointing out that in the very first episode, they made a big deal about Ned striking the death blow of justice with his own hand (and then again later with Jon). Seems like it might have been an intentional way of showing that Dany was never going to be a truly good queen. 

Arrivederci > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/15/2019 at 09:37

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Sure - Jaehaerys I, Baelor I and maybe even Aegon V. Jaehaerys reigned over the longest peacetime in Westeros, Baelor was known as the “Beloved” given his affection to smallfolk and Aegon V reigned over a very long winter and supplied the starving north with significant aid.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Arrivederci 05/15/2019 at 09:44

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Thanks for enlightening me - I haven’t read the books. 

Future next gen S2000 owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/15/2019 at 13:12

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She’s been slowly turning to the darkside since she landed in Westeros and the stakes became much higher. She’s been willing to do anything to get the throne.

I’m not shocked at the burning of King’s Landing. Tyrion has been telling her not to do it for awhile.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/15/2019 at 14:12

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No, not shocked. But Jon was.

Future next gen S2000 owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/15/2019 at 16:19

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I was shocked when he wasn’t entirely disgusted when he found out he was banging his aunt. Westeros is a ........unique place apparently.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/15/2019 at 16:22

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Well, he never “ banged” her again.

Future next gen S2000 owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/15/2019 at 16:25

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True, maybe. But he was still more concerned about not being Ned’s bastard then the whole incest thing .